Montreal police name suspect in body parts case
Published May 30, 2012
May 29, 2012: A police officer removes a package from the Conservative Party headquarters in Ottawa, Ontario. (AP/The Canadian Press)
Police have identified a suspect in a gruesome case involving the discovery in Montreal of a man’s torso, whose hand and foot were mailed to Ottawa, the Ottawa Citizen reports.
Police say Luka Rocco Magnotta is wanted in connection with the murder, but is not yet in custody.
According to the Citizen, the suspect and victim knew each other, and the incident is not linked to organized crime.
The two limbs, which were mailed separately to Ottawa on Tuesday, were both sent from Montreal and came from the dismembered torso, which was discovered decomposing in the Quebec city on the same day, the Ottawa Citizen reports.
The torso was found in a suitcase in an alley Tuesday morning, shortly before the discovery of a severed foot addressed to the office of the Conservative Party of Canada.
Police have not said where the hand — discovered later Tuesday evening — was intended to be delivered, but confirmed it was not a residential address, the Citizen reports.
According to the Citizen, an autopsy is expected to reveal how the man was killed and whether he was dead before being dismembered, police said.
Earlier Tuesday, police were called after a receptionist opened a blood-soaked box at the headquarters of Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s party. The first officers to arrive saw what appeared to be blood stains on the package and immediately called in a hazardous-materials unit. When the specialists opened the package, police found the severed foot inside.
Police said the package was not addressed to a specific person at the Conservative Party of Canada. Harper’s office is not located at the party headquarters.
A Conservative Parliament member who showed up later at his party’s headquarters was horrified by the discovery.
"It’s just awful," said Brad Trost, who first learned about the incident from TV. He said it was probably someone’s "sick idea."
"I don’t think any of us are thinking this necessarily has anything to do with politics," he said.
Trost showed up for a meeting, but was told by police it was best to leave.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Police obtain video of body parts killing; suspect dated sex-killer Karla Homolka
Luka Rocco Magnotta described as former male stripper, bi-sexual porn star who posted videos of killing kittens online
BY MEGHAN HURLEY, CHLOÉ FEDIO AND GLEN MCGREGOR, THE OTTAWA CITIZEN MAY 30, 2012 7:01 PM
A photo of suspect Luka Rocco Magnotta taken from one of his websites.
OTTAWA — A man who once dated notorious sex-killer Karla Homolka now stands accused of murder himself after the grisly discovery of a torso in Montreal, whose severed foot and hand were mailed to the Conservative and Liberal party offices in Ottawa.
Montreal police have confirmed that 29-year-old Luka Rocco Magnotta — also known by the aliases Eric Clinton Newman and Vladimir Romanov — had dated Homolka.
An extensive online profile depicts Magnotta as an alleged former stripper and porn star, who gained notoriety for posting videos of killing kittens online. Various glamour shots show a young man with chiselled features and pursed lips.
A video purporting to show Magnotta repeatedly stabbing a man on a bed has been circulating on the Internet for several days. It is unclear whether the video was staged, or if it depicts a real killing. The Montreal Gazette has confirmed that police have obtained a video of the crime, but it is unclear whether it is the online video.
Montreal police focused their attention on a second-floor apartment in the neighbourhood of Snowdon Wednesday, located near the alley where the torso was found decomposing in a suitcase on the curb with a pile of garbage.
Residents of the building said police were searching for a tenant and also showing a picture of a missing Asian man, believed to be the person who was dismembered. Police have not released the identity of the dead man but said he knew his killer.
“The suspect and victim knew each other,” Montreal police Cmdr. Ian Lafreniere told reporters Wednesday. “It isn’t linked to organized crime.”
The apartment smelled terrible and the bed appeared to be stained with blood when a Gazette reporter visited it Wednesday afternoon.
Residents described Magnotta as a very quiet man who kept to himself.
“It’s like you see in the movies. It’s always the good neighbour. It’s the cliché,” said the building’s superintendent.
Some said they saw Magnotta was wearing a bizarre wig in recent days and that they commented on his strange appearance.
Residents also said they believe Magnotta worked in the gay porn industry.
One said the only time Magnotta spoke to him was about five days ago. He asked the man, an actor, how he could get started in “legitimate” movies.
Sites like http://www.Luka-Magnotta.net contain numerous screeds that decry the Internet rumour mill inflicting damage on his reputation.
“Many hoax websites are created using my image and name, posing as me to seem more believable in respect to the type of audience these website have, I feel I don’t need to list them specifically but people need not be told, not to believe what they read and to take it as fact,” he write in one article entitled “Cyber Stalking” beside a photo of him shirtless and reclining.
In an article on another site purporting to be an interview with Magnotta, he complains about “lies” linking him romantically or even married to schoolgirl killer Karla Homolka, who was released from prison in 2005.
The same article describes Magnotta as “a James Dean lover (who) had cosmetic surgery to look like his idol said he had to drastically change his appearance and was nervous to answer his door and phone. He said, “How would you like it if it happened to you?”
An autopsy on the dismembered body is expected to reveal how the man was killed and whether he was dead before his foot and hand were removed, police said.
The autopsy will be performed in the coming days but so far “all indications are that these are from the same body,” a communications agent for Montreal police told The Gazette on Wednesday morning, citing a preliminary report. “We are still waiting for final results.” She spoke on condition her name wouldn’t be published.
Ottawa police are no longer commenting on the case and have turned the investigation over to their counterparts in Montreal, where the torso was discovered on Tuesday shortly before a senior staffer at the Conservative Party of Canada office in Ottawa partially opened a brown-papered package, which was later found to contain a severed left foot.
A 20-year Canada Post employee in the fleet transportation division, which handles only packages, delivered the bloodied foot to the Conservative Party office, said Ian Anderson, head of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers local for Ottawa.
“She just found out about it this morning from management,” Anderson said. “It’s not every day that somebody delivers a body part. She’s back on her route today.”
Anderson said he is concerned about the health effects, both physical and psychological, of all postal workers who handled the package.
The receptionist at the Tory headquarters office thought the package, which was a bit bigger than a shoebox, looked suspicious, said Fred DeLorey, director of political operations.
It was taken to the office of Jenni Byrne, director of the party’s 2011 election campaign, who saw blood inside the box and smelled “a very foul odour,” DeLorey said. Police were called immediately.
DeLorey said the party is assessing how it handles incoming mail in the future.
The first was generically addressed to the office of the Conservative Party of Canada on Albert Street, just blocks from Parliament Hill. There was no note inside the box.
The second package containing the bloody hand was destined for the Liberal Party of Canada office, but was intercepted by police Tuesday night at the Canada Post office on Riverside Drive.
Police knew the second package had been mailed from the same source and tracked it with the help of Canada Post investigators.
Anderson said it’s possible that police used the bar codes on the package sent to the Conservative Party to locate the other package found at the Alta Vista sorting facility.
Canada Post packages are affixed with a machine-readable code used to trace its progress through the mail system. While the code would not given the sender’s address, it could show which postal station it originated with.
A database search on Canada Post’s computers could locate other packages sent from the same station at around the same time, and would provide the package’s proximate location at that moment.
Meanwhile in Montreal, police combed through garbage bags and furniture left on a Snowdon street Tuesday, looking for body parts after a janitor discovered the torso at about 10 a.m.
Mike Nadeau, 49, said he’d noticed a smell coming from the suitcase in the past few days.
“Today I noticed flies and when I looked closer I saw maggots,” Nadeau said. “I got a friend and we got some cutters because there was a little lock on the suitcase. What I saw when we opened it is hard to describe. There was no head and (the torso) was all grey.”
He said he did not believe there were any limbs attached to the torso. Nadeau backed away from suitcase quickly and called police, he said.
With files from Montreal Gazette and Gary Dimmock
© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen
Porn actor named suspect in gruesome body parts case, Canadian police say
Published May 31, 2012
A porn actor is wanted in a gruesome case of dismembered body parts that were mailed to different places including the headquarters of the Conservative Party of Canada, police said Wednesday.
Luka Rocco Magnotta, 29, is wanted for homicide, Montreal police said at a news conference.
Montreal Police Cmdr. Ian Lafreniere said Thursday that police believe Magnotta fled to North America based on evidence they found at his apartment, and based on a blog Magnotta once wrote about how to disappear.
Magnotta has been added to Interpol’s wanted person’s list.
Lafreniere says police have been trying to take down an online video that they believe shows Magnotta committing the murder.
Magnotta, believed to originally be from Toronto, was renting an apartment in a working-class Montreal neighborhood. It was behind that building that police found a man’s torso in a suitcase in a heap of garbage Tuesday, police said. That same day, a foot was found in a package mailed to the Conservative party headquarters in Ottawa, and a hand found at postal warehouse in the Canadian capital. The package with the hand was addressed to the Liberal Party of Canada. Early testing shows the three body parts come from the same man, police said.
"Some police officers have never witnessed a crime such as this," Montreal Police Cmdr. Ian Lafreniere said.
Lafreniere said they are investigating the possibility that other body parts might have been mailed. He said the suspect and the victim knew each other. He said it isn’t linked to organized crime.
The packages with the foot and the hand had been mailed to Ottawa from Montreal. It wasn’t clear why.
"As a father, I would have trouble sleeping at night knowing that the suspect was in my neighborhood," Lafreniere said.
Police said Magnotta is also known by the names Eric Clinton Newman and Vladimir Romanov. They described him as white, 5.8 feet (1.78 meters) tall with blue eyes and black hair.
Police discovered the severed foot after Jenni Bryne, a top political adviser to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, opened a bloodstained box at Conservative party headquarters Tuesday.
When Bryne opened the box, a foul odor overcame the office.
"It was such a horrible odor. I’m sure many of us will not forget it," Conservative Party spokesman Fred DeLorey said.
Police said the package was addressed to the Conservative Party of Canada and not to a specific person.
Canada Post wouldn’t comment on the discoveries.
Eric Schorer, the manager of the building where the suspect lived, said Magnotta had been living there for about four months but hadn’t been seen around in a while. He said there were never any complaints about noise in the unit, and that Magnotta passed a credit test to rent there.
"He seemed like a nice guy," Schorer said.
Richard Payette, who lived across the hall from Magnotta, said the door of Apartment 208 was left open for part of the day on Wednesday. Payette said there was an overwhelming smell drifting out into the hallway, like bad meat.
An online video purportedly showing what looks to be Magnotta shows him committing violent acts against kittens. The video contained at least one photo of him made available by Montreal police Wednesday. For nearly two years, the name has been notorious among animal-rights activists looking for a man who tortured and killed cats and posted videos of it online.
In Ottawa, political staffers were keeping a nervous eye on the mail.
"It’s very upsetting," Opposition New Democrat member Yvon Godin said. "It could be just one crazy person that did it, but at the same time we have lots of people unhappy in our country, the way the country is going."
Opposition Liberal member Justin Trudeau called the packages horrific.
LUKA MAGNOTTA’s WEBSITES
No one really takes the ridiculous nonsense that happens on the internet constantly seriously. It has a pernicious effect on your life only if you allow it
ANYONE CAN POSE AS ANYONE ELSE ONLINE – SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU SEE SOMEONES NAME NEXT TO A POST DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT PERSON WROTE IT. SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES AND BY IMPERSONATING OTHERS THEY FEEL THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THEIR RIDICULOUS GOAL.PEOPLE CAN NOT BE SO NAIVE TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT THEY ARE READING IS TRUE. KEEP AN OPEN MIND – NOT EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET IS TRUE. IT TAKES LESS THEN A MINUTE TO CREATE FAKE USER NAMES. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. DONT JUDGE SOMEONE BY WHAT YOU READ ONLINE. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING THIS – OTHERWISE THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH OUR SOCIETY.. Unless someone has telekinetic abilities, where they are able to SEE THROUGH the computer at the EXACT time of the post, then its impossible to tell who wrote something. Making guesses and speculating is ludacris. I suppose some individuals know nothing about how the internet works. There is no argument about this. Can’t argue the facts, you can only twist them to suit your opinion and look like an idiot. Its impossible to tell who wrote what on the internet, unless you saw with your own eyes the person writing it. These days, it seems too many impetuous lies are written by vindictive individuals that don’t have any facts and know nothing about situations they feel the need to interfere and comment on. It’s not only cowardly to attack strangers from behind a computer, its pathetic.This sort of Machiavellian behavior is nefarious and incomprehensible.
It’s often the case, when strangers instigate the proliferation of abhorrent lies to make someone look unfavorable, that they themselves feel inadequate and ineffective in their own lives, so they need to try and over analyze other people who they feel inferior to. I live a convivial, sociable and vigorous life and for anyone to judge me by the virulent fiction they read online, would be naive , ignorant and incongruous.
I do not necessarily feel the need to redeem my reputation since the people that know me best will be more than happy to vouch for my honesty in conduct and I can provide many satisfied and loyal references if necessary. Once and for all I will set the record straight. Many hoax websites are created using my image and name, posing as me to seem more believable in respect to the type of audience these website have, I feel I don’t need to list them specifically but people need not be told, not to believe what they read and to take it as fact.
All such posts are by a select few people who perpetuate these false rumors in order to get my attention. If everyone can please do a quick google search of my name they will be directed towards the remaining of these false websites and they can have a chance to read the emotionally filled lies and see that there is no actual substance or fact in their statements or claims.
I have no “obsession with the lime light” the reality is, I refuse to give interviews and I have turned down countless interviewers and media requests to appear.I have had many oppertunities, the thing is, it just is not that important to me and it does not interest me any longer.Having appeared in magazines/films years ago does not constitute an unhealthy obsession with the limelight. Most people who spend all their time online belittling others,probably have no life as is evident.
The reports are completely false and inaccurate starting from the very first horrendous accusation years ago, until now. Their reason to perpetuate such hate stems from a place that I am not familiar with since I have never given any reason for anyone to perceive me in such a way. Only a very select few people truly know me , everyone else just speculates. To carry on hate for the time span of 2006 until now with the agenda to slaughter my name and reputation takes a lot of negative and unhealthy mental work that I refuse participate in.
I do not feel the necessity to address the specific accusations made in the posts since they are so far from my character that responding to them will give them more credibility than they will ever hold. If the readers of these posts can look behind the storyline that has been created, they will see that there is no reference to a concrete transaction or event that has taken place with any specific person in which I have committed any illegal activity. Instead the posts are a series of “he said she said” rumours that are completely fabricated and circulated by specifically the person(s) who made these posts. Individuals with their own agenda who have way too much time on their hands, who feel the need to bad mouth others under the cloak of anonymity on the internet. It takes a specific type of mentality to attack others for years, ecentially cyber stalking their every move in order to cause emotional distress. Im sure everyone can relate to cowardly actions by individuals who they no longer wish to speak to. They try with all their might to cause mischief, in hopes it will make me go crawl under a rock, but in reality it only makes them look like fools committing criminal harassment. They feel as though they have power hiding behind anonymity. Attempting to antagonize someone in order to get them to respond is naive and ridiculous. It takes two people to argue and I refuse to engage in such childish nonsense. Everyone has skeletons in their closets.
I will not quit living my life, because of other peoples short comings. If they have failed at succeeding in living a healthy, happy and productive life, then that is a pitty, however I will not be intimidated to stop living mine. The fact remains, if you don’t like someone, or you don’t agree with their lifestyle of homosexuality/bisexuality or their views on society , simply ignore them, do not cyber stalk them and make malicious allegations against them in order to try and effect their happiness. Myself and people I love will not stoop to your level and participate in vindictive internet wars. I could care less who hates me. The only people that matter to me are my family and a select few individuals I am privileged to call friends, everyone elses opinions of me do not count nor do they matter and they hold no merit. Believing what you read on the internet is like believing everything you read in the national enquirer, its ridiculous to judge someone you have never met, or you do not know any longer. Some people refuse to acknowledge that I dont want anything to do with them and they are in denial.
For the person(s) who wrote these posts, I hope the best for your selves and your family, thank you for taking the next step and posting slander, libel and defamation under a false identity that is not yours on the internet, anyone with a brain can see through these malicious lies after doing a bit of research. Since every one of your online actions and submissions place you on the wrong side of the legal fence, these posts have only worked towards my benefit. It is actually the beauty of irony that you commit punishable and illegal criminal acts by law including and not limited to; intellectual property infringement, copyright infringement, slander, defamation, libel, fraudulent identity and identity theft in order to fabricate completely false accusations of fraud against me. No matter what happens in my life, no matter how many strangers dislike me, I continue to hold my head high. You may be familiar with the old saying “Brand or be branded” , this website was created in order for people to have an alternate to internet nonsense/lies and for me to be able to speak for myself.
“I care about a lot of things, what others think of me isn’t one of them.”
Usually when others spend their lives and time criticising you, its a strong indication that their lives are lacking happiness and they are not fulfilled. This behavior of stalking someone on the internet, is not only creepy, its potentially a very dangerous indicator that the stalkers will soon escalate their behavior and their online actions will manifest into an extremely unhealthy situation for the victim offline. Victims of cyber stalkers should seek help immediately. Stalking is stalking, weather it is online or in person, their are strict laws to protect the victims.
Criticising another person is the cowards way of expressing anger and jealousy.
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Luka Rocco Magnotta, born as Eric Clinton Newman but also known as Vladimir Romanov or Mattia Del Santo, (born 24 July 1982 in Scarborough, Ontario) is a Canadian male model and pornographic actor. On 30 May 2012, Montreal police issued a Canada-wide warrant, later upgraded to an international warrant, for Magnotta’s arrest, identifying him as a suspect in the murder of an unidentified man whose dismembered body was found at three locations in Montreal and Ottawa. According to the National Post, Magnotta’s identity was discovered by members of theBestGore.com website after a video of the murder was posted to that website.
Magnotta, who has an extensive online trail, gained notoriety for killing kittens and posting the videos online, with some animal rights activists offering a reward for "bringing him to justice".Rumours emerged in 2007 that he was in a relationship with Karla Homolka, a high-profile Canadian murderer. Though he denied the relationship in an interview with the Toronto Sun at that time,police have since confirmed that the pair dated.
On 29 May 2012, the mailing of a human foot to the Conservative Party made headlines around the world. The package, which was opened by Jenni Byrne, director of political operations for the party, was stained with blood and had a foul smell. Later that day Ottawa Police discovered a hand in a package at a Canada Post processing facility; the package was later revealed to have been addressed to the Liberal Party. Meanwhile, in the Snowdon area of Montreal, a torso was discovered by a janitor in a garbage pile. On 30 May 2012, it was confirmed that the body parts were belonging to the same individual, and the suspect was quickly identified as Magnotta, who had by then vanished. A Canada-wide warrant, later upgraded to an international warrant, has been issued by the Service de police de la Ville de Montréal for his arrest, launching a nationwide manhunt. The police have not yet been able to identify the victim and have not recovered all parts of his body. According to La Presse and CTV, a note was found with the package sent to the Conservative Party headquarters, stating that other body parts were sent by mail and that he would kill again. The police are working with Canada Post to find the missing limbs.
On 31 May 2012, Montreal police issued an international warrant, asking for Interpol help; according to police spokesman Ian Lafrenière, it is probable Magnotta has left Canada. According to The Globe and Mail, the suspect may be headed to France.
^ Luka Rocco Magnotta video allegedly shows body parts suspect dismembering victim, National Post, 30 May 2012, retrieved 30 May 2012
^ (German) Leichenteile im Paket – Pornodarsteller verdächtigt, Die Welt, 31 May 2012, retrieved 31 May 2012
^ Hurley, Meghan; Fedio, Chloé; McGregor, Glen (30 May 2012), Police obtain video of body parts killing; suspect dated sex-killer Karla Homolka, Ottawa Citizen, retrieved 30 May 2012
^ a b Hamilton, Graeme (30 May 2012), Nationwide manhunt underway for Luka Rocco Magnotta as police search for missing body parts, National Post, retrieved 31 May 2012
^ Harrold, Max; Cherry, Paul (31 May 2012), Luka Rocco Magnotta dated Karla Homolka, police confirm, retrieved 31 May 2012
^ Leblanc, Daniel (31 May 2012), Body-parts suspect may have gone to France after killing: sources, The Globe and Mail, retrieved 31 May 2012
THE KITTEN KILLER CONSPIRACY
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It is him, he just dismenthled a man all over canada, hes gonna past the rest of his life in prison if he dosent kill himself.
aleknostar 18 hours ago
@gbones882 @HgnCommerce … many believe it is luka because of similair traits.
gbones882 2 days ago
@HgnCommerce He supposedly has been posting videos of himself putting live littens in a plastic bag and vaccuming the air out. Also at bestgore.com there is a video of man murdering and performing cannabalism and necrophilia
gbones882 2 days ago
fuck off luka. we know it’s you
Luka Magnotta is not wanted by any law enforcement,photoshopped pics are not acceptable evidence to convict someone.We dont believe he is responsible for these crimes. Please join our group"Find the Python and Bathtime Kitten Killer" on Facebook. Thank You. Many other groups are full of kids who circulate lies and misleading information. We are fact based and we ban and ignore these trouble making kids.Check facts before you jump to conclusions Luka is NOT wanted.Never has the police named him.
knightcatt1 3 months ago
Note, out group ‘Find the Bathtime and Python Kitten Killer’ on Facebook is professional, fact based and does not believe Luka Magnotta is responsible for any of these crimes.A few mentally deranged Luka groupies are making slanderous claims,that have not been substantiated Photoshopped pics are being circulated and these Luka groupies are causing mischief and misleading people. Luka is not wanted by law enforcement and has never been named as a suspect. Ignore these kids like everyone else has.
knightcatt1 3 months ago
shutup you fucking low life , you cant even speak english properly , you got some next accent just let the guy be , it is sad but its what he wants to do
UncorruptCharts 3 months ago
Guys… Let-me understand something. I already seen a lot of videos where people feeds rabbits, rats, chicken, hamster and so on to Python and other snakes. And no one complained about that so much as in this case, in wich the guy gave a cat to the snake… Am I missing something and this guy did something really worse – or people are simply totally against using cats as snake food?
HgnCommerce 3 months ago
Hes a sociopath. Sociopaths are risk takers who think they are a bove the law. Unfortunately a trait of this personality disorder is cruelty to animals. The more negative attention he gets from his destruction the more he is likely to do it. He will one day pay the price for the abuse he has subjected to animals but he will never take responsibility. Karma will prevail unless a vigilante organisation doesnt get to him first …
I WOULD RIP HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF HE KILLS A POOR HELPLESS KITTEN?!?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH HIM!
Jessrockz224 3 months ago
DON’T LET ME HAVE 5 MINUTES WITH YOU MOTHERFUCKER
angrybirdsforever 4 months ago
SuperBrianBoitano 4 months ago
$10 000 reward for this guy
appaloosa40 4 months ago
2091maverick 4 months ago
valledebravo33 4 months ago
ANOTHER OF HIS WEBSITES
Luka Magnotta Лакаа Магнотта : Российское Преступление Мафии
"BECAUSE OTHER’S OPINIONS OF ME
DONT COUNT NOR DO THEY MATTER"
"IN THE END- ITS NOT THE YEARS IN YOUR LIFE THAT COUNT,
ITS THE LIFE IN YOUR YEARS"
Why are people afraid of sex? Afraid of any sort of nudity? I cant understand this. It is absurd to me. If you do porn, or you appear in a magazine naked, happy to show your beautiful body, this is a bad thing? However children can play violent videogames virtually murdering and killing each other, heinous murder movies and television programming brainwashes the masses on a daily basis and everyone just accepts what they see as normal. Is everyone else crazy or is it just me?
"when thy little heart doth wake, then the dreadful night shall break"
Российское Преступление Мафии
В одном из самых кровавых преступлений, инкриминируемых сегодня одиозному российскому мафиози из Петербурга Владимиру Барсукову — покушении на владельца «Петербургского нефтяного терминала» Сергея Васильева — имеются нюансы, о которых представители властей стараются не распространяться. Человек, по версии следствия, фактически организовавший это преступление, находится вне досягаемости российской милиции — он скрывается в Лондоне.
40-летний Михаил Тюрин, известный в криминальных кругах как «Моня», раньше никогда не попадал в поле зрения журналистов.
РОДОМ ИЗ РЯЗАНИ
Trailblazers and people with new ways of thinking are never popular. When people are afraid of you and your ideas, their instinct is to silence you and make you go away. When people claim they hate you and your nothing, then why do they sit and write ten page articles about you? I find it so absurd. Why take all the time to write about how much you hate someone, spend your life writing about people you hate? Wouldn’t that mean that the person you hate has consumed you and won? Is this really hate or is it jealousy and admiration cloaked in hatred?
Luka Magnotta Quotes
-U often think of happiness as something abstract,somehow separate from immediate reality.The grass is never greener on the other side.There is no other side.
People don’t stop enjoying life when they become old; people become old when they stop enjoying life.
– There is such things as Monsters , Demons and Ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.
-Who are you to me?Answer-nobody,so suck my huge cock and STFU.
-When your going through hell, keep on going.
It wasn’t until I started reading and found books they wouldn’t let us read in school that I discovered you could be insane and happy and have a good life without being like everybody else.
-I’m One of a kind in this Whole Fucking full of shit World :)
"THE BRIGHTEST FUTURES COME FROM FORGOTTEN PASTS."
-My mother said it was simple to keep a man, you must be a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom. I said I’d hire the other two and take care of the bedroom bit.
"Its Better to Burn Out Then to Fade Away"
"If you always do what you’ve always done..then you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten!"
"Live everyday asthough it was your last"
– Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he himself does not become a monster.
And when you look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you.
-People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
-"Is that your ex?" "No, that’s the biggest mistake of my life."
– Nothing is Going to Happen Until you Make It Happen
– Misfortuen will show you who your true friends are
– If you are patient in one moment of anger, you will escape a hundred days of sorrow.
– A fish can only get caght if he opens his mouth
-Most people would rather die then think,…. in fact they do so…
– MEN ARE LIKE A DECK OF CARDS…..
YOU NEED A HEART TO LOVE THEM.
YOU NEED A DIAMOND TO MARRY THEM.
YOU NEED A CLUB TO KILL THEM.
YOU NEED A SPADE TO BURRY THEM. LOL
– If a relationship is going to work, your partner has to love you as much as you love him….if your constantly having to try and make him love you, if your having to try and win his love, then maybe his love is not worth winning….try and stay away from cheating,lying losers and find someone who will love you just as much as you love him.
– " Let Them Eat Cake "
-All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream
– So many horrible lies are written about me, I cant believe naive people actually believe everything they read online. Newsflash, I DO NOT write about myself online. Some people with way too much time on their hands enjoy impersonating me and causing mischief. In the near future I cant wait to completely disappear and never be found again. A tropical island sounds nice. So, losers , stop writting about me and get a life.
-~ The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
I travelled all over the world, stayed in the best places, partied on the hottest beaches with the most gorgeous people,had the time of my life and I dont regret a moment.
"Too many people spend money they haven’t earned, to buy things they don’t want, to impress people they don’t like."
*Note some loser has made numerous fake profiles impersonating me, this is my real account.
– If you stop telling lies about me , ill stop telling the truth about you.
-The most caring person has entred my life, im so lucky and happy, god has been really good to me. when you find someone this good you never let them go. I have so much support.
-If I had a million reasons to leave you, I would look for one good one to stay.
-I dont need to do you harm, because your concience will beat you up more then anyone ever could in the street. Everyone will answer one day for what theyve done. You better believe in Karma because what goes around comes around.
-Fake People Stay Away, whats the point of living fake? Enjoy life, live free or die. I hate losers.
– Silence speaks volumes, I have nothing left to prove to anyone, my time and my voice is not worth your stupidity, stop flattering and deluding yourself that I want you, I hardly even remember you exist lol.
-Love will prevail over hatred, intolerance, bigotry,jelousy and injustice.
-On the contrary to what you believe, Im too busy and I have a life, I dont have time to even think about you, retards move on.
-Apparantly being a murder is cool,rape,theft,brutality,career criminality..etc, but if your bisexual and have done adult movies your made into a monster by people who are shallow and have pathetic lives.
-People love to villianize me, idiots need people like me to point their fingers at, say im the bad guy, because it makes them feel better about their failed lives. Negative people like you have a place reserved in hell.
-Finally I have found one person that acepts me for who I am, does not critisize me and loves me unconditionally.. that is almost non existant in this shallow materialistic world. Having someone to truely share every part of yourself with.. thats love.
"Even though u fucked my life up so bad im still not over you, joking im under someone else lol"
-you did me the biggest favor when you broke up with me, thank god your out of my life lol, everyone was so right.
– If you want to judge me, call me names, critisize me.. then all I ask is one thing, after your done stop and take a good look in the mirror, I hope it makes you feel better.
-Your not funny, your not a player, your delusional and its so sad your a joke.
– When you spend your entire life being brainwashed by the same people, eventually you believe the bullshit, you begin to think your invinceable, step out of the forest and look at the trees, perhaps youll see that your not as important as you’ve convinced yourself you are. At least when I go to bed at night I am able to sleep.
– Ive forgiven and forgotten, ive forgiven myself for believing all your bullshit and forgotten youve ever existed. The people who are in my life love me for who I am, dont critisize me and dont try to change me, those are people I consider human beings and good people.
– I’ve realised that life is too short to waste on the incincere and fake, I have always had a very low tolerance for fakeness.
– The majority of law enforcement is nothing more then propaganda and in my eyes mostly a money making business. The media the same thing, I want absolutely nothing to do with either of them. My goal is to strive and lead the most anonymous life possible.
– God has blessed me with amazing people who are actually human beings in my life who truely LOVE me and dont force me to be something im not. They love me for who I am and I wouldnt associate myself with people who I have to act for. People who will do anything for acceptance are reduculous, sad and extremely pathetic. I have sympathy for them.
– Others opinions of me dont validate who I am as a person..When are you going to realize – your opinion of me does not count nor does it matter?
– Keep trying so hard to be wanted and excepted, ill focus my energy instead on someone who I love and whos loving me lol. Whos the fool?
Remember, once you spend your entire life lying,cheating,conning, manipulating and using others in order to get to the top, you realize once at the top its pretty lonely and its not that great. Money and materialistic things can make you very comfortable but speaking from personal experience, they dont bring you happiness. Some people will never learn or learn the hard way.
— Instead of jumping around in a club/bar like a monkey and doing drugs with losers id prefer spending my time with the love of my life, im so lucky, those people deserve each other and let the animals destroy themselfs lol. Remember I CHOOSE not to act like a moron.
— God dammit your SO COOL, I wish I could be as cool as you!! How nice it must be to be soo cool! NOT.
— Your perception of reality has become so distorted that I dont know who you are any longer, you have created a fantasy world to live in because you realised your real life is too unbearable.
– Throughout history, historically there have been indivudulas determined to stand in the way of true love, when two people fall in love nothing can keep them apart and love will always lead them back togerther, im not talking about puppy love im talking about true love, god has answered my prayers. We can look back and say we did it for love and know we were right and they were wrong.
– Hell is not a burning eternity of fire, in reality hell is actually your own mind and is a result of all the horrible things you’ve done to others, you can never escape yourself.
– I have no problem with god, I believe in god, its his fan club I cant stand, I think religion is evil, it was created to control people.. I believe in god and I have my own relationship with him, I dont need a church nor do I need to hear fake hypocritical people preaching to me.
— Since you wouldnt make me your everything I had to leave. Id rather be nothing to you then stick around and play games.
– Yes I may have alot of problems but dont we all? Some peoples are just more public then others. You cant judge me unless you walked a day in my life. And if your one of the people who persecutes me then FYI – you dont know me, and I dont care about you. My friends and family love me and they’re the only ones I care about. All the rest of you can GTH.
– Yes I was a whore, but I wasnt a slut. It was mostly for the cash.
– I am very much against vigilante justice and believe strongly that the courts should handle people, and not groups of unstable citizens.
– I pay absolutely no attention to anything written about me, ignore it and it will just all go away. I laugh off veiled threats.
Someone is always doing what someone else said couldn’t be done.
There are two things you should never worry about — things you can change, and things you can’t.
Time spent feeling sorry for yourself is time wasted. Lonliness is a choice
The Person Worth Listening to is Often the Quietiest Person
Killer craves spotlight, experts say
Forensic psychologist says facts also point to someone with serious delusions
BY CATHERINE SOLYOM, POSTMEDIA NEWS MAY 31, 2012
Photograph by: file , luka-magnotta.com
Even before the name of the prime suspect was revealed Wednesday, forensic experts across the country were working on the psychological profile of the man who sent a severed foot to the Conservatives, a hand to the Liberals, and put the torso of the victim out with the garbage.
They all agreed: this is not your typical dismemberment – this man wanted attention.
"I have worked on dismemberment cases before, where parts are found in different locations," said Kathy Reichs, a forensic anthropologist and the author of several bestselling books. "But as far as mailing them to government officials, I haven’t worked on anything like this."
Reichs, who is also a consultant for the Laboratoire de Sciences Judiciaires et de Médecine Légale in Québec, said the motive for dismembering a corpse is usually to hide the body, to make it easier to package and transport, and to make it harder to identify.
During the biker wars of the 1990s in Quebec, for instance, Reichs worked on a number of bodies found without heads or hands. She would help identify the victim, and what tools were used to dismember him, based on the marks left on the bones.
In this case, however, the perpetrator, who police suspect is 29-year-old Luka Rocco Magnotta, a male model and porn actor, clearly wanted attention, Reichs said.
The motive for either the killing or the dismemberment remains unclear, however.
In other cultures where dismemberment is less unusual – South and Central America, and Russia notably – the motive might be to send a message, or intimidate, says Stephen Hart, a forensic psychologist at Simon Fraser University. Seven years ago, in Vancouver, the head of a Hells Angel at war with Russian mobsters – with his genitals in his mouth – was sent to his wife.
The message was clear.
Hart has also encountered the occasional serial killer who keeps a souvenir. But they don’t typically send parts to politicians.
"But if you dismember and send body parts, it’s probably more ritualized. What I don’t know is why someone who is a serial or mentally-ill offender would want to send a body part to the Conservative party in particular," Hart said.
If it’s not organized crime, it’s a disorganized individual, Hart said – someone with a serious psychological disturbance, "whose motivation to commit the murder and to tell everyone about it overwhelms their desire to avoid detection." It could be someone with serious delusions, or someone with a personality disorder.
But whether it’s organized or disorganized crime, dismemberment typically has to be practised first on animals, Hart said.
Mobsters, for instance, may work first on a farm or as a butcher, to gain the skills necessary. Others may practise on domestic animals.
"It’s not only gory but difficult to dismember bodies," Hart said. "It’s a very unusual kind of offence. We may be looking at an escalation from animals to people."
Of the many unverified stories circulating about Magnotta on the Internet, one tags him as the author of a video on YouTube in which two kittens are suffocated in a plastic bag.
Gail Anderson, a forensic entomologist also at Simon Fraser University, said police in Vancouver are extremely concerned about someone who has been mutilating cats – seven of them just last week – and leaving their body parts under missing cat posters.
"When someone has done something to animals, it’s very indicative of something much more serious," she said.
As for the body parts found in Montreal and Ottawa, Anderson was interested in knowing the size of the maggots found on the torso in the suitcase – they could tell us when, if not why, the victim was killed.
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Friday, March 16, 2012
Cannibal Serial Killer Luka Magnotta — cannibalism людоед
In times of bird flu, mad cow disease and infested banana is the consumption of human flesh a risk-free variety, so as not to vegetarians to be. Especially juicy are the ham, the roast is ideal for a four-member family arise.
As an international theme of the cannibals will be for a long time, "you eat what you are!" considered. This is disputed by members of the cannibalistic lebenseintellung.
Luka Magnotta Cannibal
The cannibalism is gone in the near future on the rise worldwide. Increasingly reports appear on it. The man happens to be the only food source that even in times of famine (which incidentally are predicted to be taken seriously by future researchers in this century) is virtually unlimited. human flesh provides high-quality species-specific protein and plenty of calorie-rich fat. In times of bird flu , mad cow disease and swine fever , it is therefore safe to consume almost.
Human flesh is the pork that it leaves something similar Sun to be flavorful and nothing. Especially profitable are the ham (thigh and buttocks), Which can be prepared for a variety of juicy steaks and succulent specialties.Examples thighs, fat from the roast are called with a decent bacon rind bearing buttock. The fatty belly meat is used more as a soup, meat, while the back offers a variety of leaner roasts. Finally, it should be noted that humans like easy and fast as pigs fatten can.
In times of bird flu, mad cow disease and infested banana is the consumption of human flesh a risk-free variety, so as not to vegetarians to be. Especially juicy are the ham, the ideal roast for a four-member family arise.
As an international theme of the cannibals will be for a long time, "you eat what you are!" considered.This is disputed by members of the cannibalistic lebenseintellung.
The cannibalism is gone in the near future on the rise worldwide. Increasingly reports appear on it.The man happens to be the only food source that even in times of famine (which incidentally are predicted to be taken seriously by future researchers in this century) is virtually unlimited. Human flesh provides high-quality species-specific protein and plenty of calorie-rich fat. In times of bird flu ,mad cow disease and swine fever , it is also safe to consume almost.
Human flesh is the pork so similar that it leaves something to be flavorful and nothing. Especially profitable are the ham (thigh and buttocks), which can be prepared for a variety of specialties.Examples juicy steaks and succulent thighs, fat from the roast are called with a decent bacon rind bearing buttock. The fatty belly meat is used more as a soup, meat, while the back offers a variety of leaner roasts. Finally, it should be noted that humans like easy and fast as pigs can fatten.
This was to gynecomastia ailing, elderly gentleman by the attempt to take over the world in itself, nationally and internationally known. The venture failed miserably, because he could only conquer Germany and that’s only because the former go-go dancers with some German free home videos, in which he clothes were able to convince. A hole in his heart, which may have since been filled only with German, Turkish, French and xenophobic blood.
Luka Magnotta Cannibal
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Friday, March 16, 2012
Necrophiliac Serial Killer Luka Magnotta
Necrophilliac Serial Killer Luka Magnotta ——– Luka Magnotta Photo 2011
"Necrophilia is defined as a sick abnormal fascination with death and the dead; or more particularly, an erotic attraction to corpses.
"Necrophilia is a psychosexual disorder and is categorized with the group of disorders which comprise the paraphilias, a subtype of psychosexual disorder involving unusual or bizarre fantasies or acts that are necessary for full sexual excitement."
"A person who commits a sexual penetration on the dead body of a human being is guilty of a category A felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 5 years has been served, and shall be further punished by a fine of not more than $20,000. For the purposes of this section, sexual penetration means cunnilingus, fellatio or any intrusion, however slight, of any part of a person’s body or any object manipulated or inserted by a person into the genital or anal openings of the body of another, including, without limitation, sexual intercourse in what would be its ordinary meaning if practiced upon the living."
When I was a young child, I used to spend much of my time alone, either in the woods or in the local cemetery, where there was the grave of a 19 year old boy who died in the early half of last century. I felt close to that boy, and would pick flowers in the woods and take them to his grave.
In 2003, I discovered a mummified corpse of a young man in a vault, in a church where I was doing restoration work for a friend. I fell in love with him, and it broke my heart to seal him in there. I wanted to take him home and look after him.
I day dream about having him here with me. Silly ordinary things like watching TV together, listening to music, taking him out for picnics, watching a DVD late at night before taking him up to bed with me. All very ordinary things, apart from the fact that I want to do them with a desiccated or mummified corpse.
I don’t have a problem attracting living men. I’m just naturally attracted to the dead.
Some people never realize until its too late that excepting their feelings and not acting anymore is true freedom.
It’s not cool to the world being a necrophiliac. It’s bloody lonely. But I dont really care, I have never cared what people thought of me, most people are judgemental idiots. I’m unable to talk to anybody about it and there’s always the knowledge that 99% of people would be repulsed by me if they found out about my feelings. Some people would even want to harm me.
Do I feel ashamed? never, but there’s nothing but love in my heart for that man in the grave and the guy in the vault. I don’t see myself as some creepy pervert. I’m just somebody who has feelings, real feelings, for dead men.
JUST BECAUSE SOCIETY THINKS SOMETHING IS NOT "NORMAL" DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT RIGHT. SOCIETY IS WAY TOO CONCERNED WITH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK, SO THEY END UP LIVING THEIR LIVES IN FEAR AND REPRESSED. FUCK WHAT EVERBODY ELSE THINKS WHO CARES!!!!!!
This paper is about questioning social taboos and tradition in light of philosophical concepts. Why are certain acts regarded as morally incorrect, and would they still be incorrect were it not for the taboos that surround them? I take one of the more extreme cases of a social taboo (necrophilia) and ask my readers to momentarily remove from their minds their emotional and legal inclinations on the subject, and to simply consider the topic at face value with regards to concepts such as moral status and personhood.
Necrophilia, paraphilia, sexual deviance, ethics, thought experiment, proposal, moral status, personal identity, personhood
I concede that this essay is a philosophical proposal and while works of this nature may seem out of place in a biomedical publication, I am submitting it for two reasons. Originally, the paper was sent in at the publisher’s request. Professor Anil Aggrawal learned about my project, showed an interest, and contacted me with a request that I send the paper to him, as he may be interested in publishing it in this journal. While the publication and exhibition of my work is undeniably important to me, that is not the sole purpose of this submission. I seek to offer an objective viewpoint toward the ethics of necrophilia and to provide a possible understanding of why certain people may feel no qualms about the act. On some levels, I am playing devil’s advocate and while this paper does, in essence, fall primarily into the realm of philosophy, I argue that all subjects-especially those within the sciences, namely biomedicine-require at least some consideration of ethics.
Before diving into the piths of this essay, I find it necessary to point out-as it can be easily misunderstood-that this essay simply employs the topic of necrophilia as a forum for theoretical discussion. It is an example of an area of – what I argue to be – moral indifference, and, most importantly, an exhibit of how social taboos can be found to be without foundation in light of a logical analysis of ethics (if said taboos are based merely on unfounded traditions).
I would like to state here and now that I am not a necrophiliac. I have no interest in the practice, nor do I encourage it as it is not legally, socially, or hygienically supported. However, I argue that the practice is not, in itself, morally wrong.
The lexicography of ethics presents some complications because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no single word in the English language that concisely expresses my intended definition of "moral indifference." In essence, I argue for a spectrum of morality in relation to "morally encouraged," "morally discouraged," and "morally indifferent" acts. "Morally encouraged" actions would be things that one ought to pursue for the improved virtue of the individual and perhaps even the betterment of the populace as a whole. On the opposite side of the spectrum, "morally discouraged" actions are pursuits that one ought to avoid as they degrade the virtues of individuals and may even erode the moral health of society. Within this spectrum, "morally indifferent" actions fall somewhere within the vast gray area between the two poles and pertain to acts that neither fulfill society nor degrade it on an ethical level. That is to say, while these actions-which are performed at the individual’s discretion and in accordance with that individual’s particular tastes-do not directly perpetuate moral advancement within that individual or within the populace as a whole, said actions can not be construed as an ethical impediment.
…This paper argues against the commonly accepted notion that necrophilia is morally detrimental and, with the help of arguments based on ethical concepts, reframes the practice as morally indifferent. Due to the preexisting social taboo surrounding the subject, I am inclined to place stress on the argument that necrophilia is not morally wrong…
Thus, they are of no moral consequence. This paper argues against the commonly accepted notion that necrophilia is morally detrimental and, with the help of arguments based on ethical concepts, reframes the practice as morally indifferent. Due to the preexisting social taboo surrounding the subject, I am inclined to place stress on the argument that necrophilia is not morally wrong instead of equally stressing that it is neither right nor wrong.
My thought experiment is set within a closed, theoretical system. With arguments about the application of personal identity and moral status as the only variables. I argue that necrophilia does no moral wrong. However, the realm of reality presents additional variables of social opinion, human attachment, legality, and hygiene, which impede the application of the equation. In short, I argue that necrophilia is a practice that does no moral wrong, but I concede that the practice it is not feasible in reality because it violates preexisting standards.
I would also like to specify that rights, for the purpose of this essay, refer specifically to moral rights. The distinction is held between those and legal rights as this is an ethical debate and legality is virtually irrelevant, as laws do not necessarily dictate morality. Once the legislation behind necrophilia is stripped away, the subject is pushed into the ethical realm. In drawing this lengthy disclaimer to a close, I beseech the readers of this essay to acknowledge and consider my arguments on a purely moral, hypothetical level.
In this paper, I will argue that necrophilia is not morally impermissible (for clarifications on what is intended by this phrase, please see the disclaimer) on the grounds that corpses are no longer persons with identity; as such, corpses are not persons with moral status and rights. In addition, I will briefly draw attention to and question the time-honored notion of respect for the dead. It is my intention to persuade my readers to question their previous views on the ethics of necrophilia and, in turn, to propagate a questioning attitude toward social taboos in general. Necrophilia is defined by Merriam-Webster (11th edition) as "the obsession with and…erotic interest in or stimulation by corpses." For the sake of this paper, the term will be used to refer to the practice of having sex with the deceased as the ethics of the mere unconsummated interest need not be drawn into question.
Issue of personal identity
…Some may associate the corpse with the person who once inhabited it and claim that necrophilia violates the rights of said person. However, this argument fails in light of the notion of personal identity…
The first issue I would like to address in depth is that of personal identity and personhood. Some may associate the corpse with the person who once inhabited it and claim that necrophilia violates the rights of said person. However, this argument fails in light of the notion of personal identity. (It is important to note that personal identityis separate from legal identity – which is observable in the form of numbers and names associated with individuals – because the former is concerned with the idea of what makes a person the person they are, not the means by which society catalogs them.) Seventeenth-century philosopher John Locke argues for the necessary distinction between the body in his work, An Essay Concerning Human Understanding (1690), and a similar notion is adopted in the writings of eighteenth-century philosopher Thomas Reid. According to this theory, the body is simply a receptacle for the person,1 comparable to an airplane and its pilot, respectively. Naturally, the person is the more valued aspect as it determines one’s identity, and the body is merely the flesh which contains it. The nature of the "person" is often questioned. In his work, "Of Identity," (1785) Reidargues that the person is an immaterial, indivisible consciousness, or soul;2 Locke argues the person is defined by conscious memory.1 Locke’s account of what happens to the person at death, although different in its explanation of what makes the person, somewhat resembles Reid’s account. Those who accept Reid’s view, or one similar, would be more inclined to argue that the person evacuates the physical body upon biological death. This is comparable to the pilot of the plane ejecting himself from the cockpit and landing safely on the ground as his faithful-or perhaps not-vessel crashes and burns. Eighteenth-century philosopher David Hume and modern advocate Derek Parfit suggest that one’s identity is composed of one’s perceptions or psychology. Now, those who accept Hume’s discourse inA Treatise of Human Nature (1740)3-or Parfit’s in Divided Minds and The Nature of Persons (1984)4-would be inclined to say that the person dies when the body succumbs to biological death, which is comparable to the pilot dying within the plane as it careens into an unforgiving cliff-face. Either way, the corpse contains no properties of the person after biological death. As Reid would say, the immaterial consciousness has left the physical body,2 and Locke would claim that the self as conscious memory persists, but not in its former body.1 As Hume and Parfit would say, the mind-and thus the being’s psychology and perceptions-are gone.3,4That is to say that the body lying in the casket is merely a shell of the person who once occupied it. Whether the person survives after the body’s biological death is completely dependent on one’s view of personal identity, but regardless, the corpse remains vacant (until occupied by a prospective suitor).
Does the corpse possess moral status?
…After exploring the views of personal identity, it has been made evident that the corpse cannot be associated with the person it once was, and thus, necrophiliacs are not disrespecting a person by having sex with a corpse…
After exploring the views of personal identity, it has been made evident that the corpse cannot be associated with the person it once was, and thus, necrophiliacs are not disrespecting a person by having sex with a corpse. A related point I would like to make is that the corpse, as it cannot be associated with the person it once was – or any person for that matter-has no moral status. Moral status is defined as the condition that bestows upon people their basic human rights. It is the quality that makes it immoral for one to treat the being in question with anything less than a certain degree of respect. What gives a being its moral status is commonly debated, but I argue that a being must fulfill a certain set of criteria to be considered a moral agent.
Mary Anne Warren, a professor of philosophy at San Francisco State University, argues her ideas for the criteria of moral status in her work, Ethics in Practice(1992). She suggests that the primary characteristics that would determine personhood are sentience, emotionality, reason, the capacity to communicate, self-awareness, and moral agency. [Please see table 1]
Sentience – The capacity to have conscious experiences, usually including the capacity to experience pain and pleasure
Emotionality – The capacity to feel happy, angry, sad, loving, etc.
Reason – The capacity to solve new and relatively complex problems.
Capacity to communicate –
Self-awareness – Having a concept of oneself as an individual and/or as a member of a social group.
Moral agency – The capacity to regulate one’s own actions through moral principles or ideals.
Table 1 – Warren’s six components that determine personhood
Warren comments that while "[a]n entity need not have all of these attributes to be a person," the potential for a being to have moral status decreases if it possesses none of these traits.5 Thus, it would be difficult to reasonably attribute moral status to a being with none of these traits, and this point is of central importance to the question of the ethics of necrophilia. Note that corpses possess none of these traits, and only beings that possess these traits in some combination can be attributed moral status. So, corpses have no moral status. If a corpse were a person with moral status, then it could be harmed. However, a corpse cannot be a person with moral status, as it fits none of the criteria for said status. Therefore, one can do no wrong to a corpse.
Some may argue that because a corpse was once a human being, it is entitled to the same treatment to which all human beings are entitled. I argue, however, that being genetically human is not enough to warrant moral status. If this were the case, one could attribute personhood ("personhood" being the criteria for considering one a person and thus an agent entitled to rights, respect, and moral status) to cancer cells and strands of hair. It seems that this quality comes at a much more complex price. Does a corpse possess the residual moral status or any transferable rights of the person who once inhabited it? This is a question similar to and depending on a notion of personal identity. Is there residual personal identity? If not, then there are no grounds for claiming residual moral status, since the moral status at the bare minimum requires some form of personal identity.
…corpses cannot have moral status as moral status is dependent on a certain set of criteria…
Briefly put, residual personhood does not exist. The reason behind this is that corpses cannot have moral status as moral status is dependent on a certain set of criteria. Regardless of whether one wishes to use Warren’s set of criteria to determine personhood or an entirely different standard, one can reasonably argue that awarding moral status to something simply because it is genetically human is ungrounded, as this sort of proposition could attribute moral status to substances that simply do not deserve said status. If there is no moral status, there is no person to wrong.
The issue of consent
Some bring up the notion of consent when arguing against necrophilia. They claim that the corpse (or the person) would not have agreed to sex and therefore, any sort of necrophilic activity is invasive and morally impermissible. Yet, as it was stated in the segment on personal identity, the body and the person are no longer one and the same once the body dies. Therefore, one cannot consider either part to be connected with the other. Legality aside (as this is a moral debate, it only seems fair to push law into the sidelines for now), it becomes inconsequential whether the person offered consent to prospective necrophiliacs before said person passed on, as the body that is present now cannot be viewed on the same level as the person who once inhabited it. Also, as the person can no longer be connected with the body, what happens to the latter cannot be seen as a sign of disrespect; disrespect assumes a person is the target of that disrespect, but since the cadaver is not a person, there is no one toward whom to direct this disrespect. In addition, as it has been previously determined, the corpse is not a person, let alone an agent with rights or privileges. Not only is the corpse incapable of denying moral and legal consent, it is not entitled to deny said consent.
Because legality is pushed aside and because the body is no longer affiliated with the once-living person, the requests or possible wishes of the deceased can be discarded. One can assume this because-as it was previously stated-the author of said document cannot be likened to the corpse as there no longer exists a tie between the person and the body. In addition, as it was previously argued, residual moral status and personal identity do not exist. When dealing with a corpse, one is not dealing with a person, an organism that deserves moral consideration, or a being that can deny consent. One is simply dealing with a body that is, crudely put, nothing more than a mass of decomposing cellular residue, and masses of decomposing cellular residue are fair game to paraphiles.
Comparison between necrophilia and embalming
Furthermore, the corpse is often subject to unpleasant invasion as standard procedure. In the embalming process, described in Richard T. Hatch’s book, How to Embalm Your Mother-In-Law (1993), the body is completely stripped of all clothing and washed twice. In cases of rigor mortis, the embalmer is required to massage the corpse’s limbs and extremities to loosen up the body, making it more possible and easier to work with overall.6 Orifices are then swabbed with cavity fluid and packed to avoid leakage. After any necessary dental work, the mouth is stitched shut by inserting hooked wires into the gum tissue and tightening them. The face and body are shaved, and the eyeballs are washed and eye cups are inserted, which serve to provide the proper shape when the eyelid is closed. As much blood as possible is removed from the veins by a pump and replaced with embalming fluid, which is applied through six major injection points. A tube is then inserted into the abdomen to remove any residual fluid from organ decomposition. Finally, embalming preservatives are pumped through the body. Compare this process to conventional sexual activity in which fluid exchange is relatively minimal and, presumably, does not entail total exsanguination via pumps, eye-tampering, or mouth-stitching. The average necrophile does not have the means or the motive for that sort of endeavor.
…the corpse is often subject to unpleasant invasion as standard and acceptable procedure – as in embalming. Then what is the problem with necrophilia?…
Jessica Mitford mentions an even more disturbing aspect of the embalming process in her book, The American Way of Death (1963): "no law requires embalming, no religious doctrine commends it, nor is it dictated by considerations of health, sanitation, or even of personal daintiness."7 That is to say that this fate, although religiously pursued and widely exercised upon corpses, is virtually unnecessary.
I feel it is important-or at least interesting-to remark on the comparison between the two practices. Granted, if the corpse is not a person (as I argue), embalming does no wrong to the corpse, either. The comparison is drawn between necrophilia and embalming to show that invasive procedures befall corpses on a regular basis. Furthermore, while embalming is socially acceptable and necrophilia is not, the former could easily be perceived as more invasive.
The notion of respect for the dead
The final argument I will explore that opposes necrophilia is that which concerns the notion of respect for the dead. It is a notion that rests on a time-honored tradition and nothing more, but one that generally arises alongside the topic of necrophilia. This principle is often used as its own argument against necrophilia, yet, in light of the previous arguments, I have to ask why humankind must maintain this tradition. Given the preceding arguments, it would seem as though this tradition is nothing more than an ungrounded, misunderstood notion that carries no moral obligation. As was previously mentioned, one can conclude that the corpse is not a person and has no moral status. It does not have the capacity to deny consent and it is nothing more than an object. Also, there is no tie between the person and the mass of decomposing cellular residue in question. Since arguments that support the status of corpses fail, what moral obligation do we have to respect corpses? If the notion of respect for the dead is-as I suspect-what ultimately makes necrophilia taboo, the practice could be considered morally impermissible no longer once said notion is found unjustifiable. From my perspective, the universal nature of this tradition does not adequately justify the condemnation of necrophilia.
Finally, even if my debate against the sanctity of this tradition does not convince my readers, it is still arguable that necrophilia doesn’t disrespect the dead. one can still maintain this notion-however arbitrary and societally ingrained it may seem-because when one respects the dead, one is arguably respecting the memory of the person (i.e., character traits, accomplishments, etc.), not necessarily the corpse itself. Thus, necrophilia does not degrade the memory of said person’s character.
LUKA MAGNOTTA —- LUKA MAGNOTTA — LUKA MAGNOTTA
‘These are the actions of a sadistic human being': Hunt for twisted thug who fed kitten to python in sick video
By CRAIG MACKENZIE
UPDATED: 18:02 GMT, 3 December 2011
A hunt has been launched for a sadistic pet owner who filmed himself feeding a kitten to a python.
The vile video, entitled Python Christmas, shows a man in his 20s carrying the kitten called Jasmine into a bedroom in a Santa hat and then placed on a bed.
Lurking half-hidden under a pillow lay a yellow Burmese python, which can grow up to 19ft long and is one of the largest snakes in the world.
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Killer: A yellow Burmese python which can grow as long as 19ft and squeezes its prey to death
Evil: The callous thug carries the kitten in a Santa hat to the bed where he appears to play with it
The bait: The kitten is distracted and moments later the python pounces and wraps its coils around its prey
Jasmine is seen slowly walking across the bed until the thug distracts her and she fatally turns her back on the danger.
The snake pounces, wrapping the kitten in its coils as it squeezes the life out of the playful animal.
Once the kitten’s tail stops moving the snake swallows her whole — head first. Its cries of agony are drowned out by the Christmas song Little Drummer Boy playing in the background of the video.
At the end of the seven-minute footage there is a chillingly threat of more ‘feeding videos’. It was posted on a site called Flix from an account registered in Islington, north London.
Horror: Last moments for the kitten as the snake squeezes the animal then swallows it head first
The video shows the kitten disappearing in the python’s mouth
If caught, the sicko faces six months’ jail and a £20,000 fine for causing unnecessary suffering under the Animal Welfare Act 2006.
Among the few clues to his identity are that he is a fan of the Disney film Aladdin. Images and songs from the movie have been posted on his YouTube site.
An RSPCA spokeswoman said: ‘There is no excuse for feeding a live cat to a python.’
Vet Pete Wedderburn told the Sun: ‘The kitten is probably no older than four months. It has no hiding place and can’t get away. These are the actions of a sadistic human being.’
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1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video
Very hard to find, the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video took the internet by the storm as the most horrific shock video to have been released to date. There are speculations that One Lunatic One Ice Pick may be an actual snuff film – produced by some crazy psycho who was paid to murder a person and film it on camera. Though as with everything that starts going viral on the internet, the chances of the reality being blown out of proportions are quite substantial. As a result, it’s quite possible that 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick is not a snuff film at all, but rather a home made recording of a psychopath who filmed his sick deed on camera the same way thousands of other murderers did, utilizing whatever technology allowed at the time.
Some people say that the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video was produced in San Francisco, USA, others say it’s work of some crazy, 20 year old Russian who got paid 6 figures for it. To give his clients their moneys worth, the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video contains murder, beheading, dismemberment, cannibalism and necrophilia (it doesn’t appear as though castration took place in this video, though).
The 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video is filmed in a dimply lit room. A naked male is seen tied to a frame of bed while his captor stabs him in the abdomen with an ice pick. The victim is them seen with his throat slashed as his captor proceeds to slowly slice various parts of his body with a knife.
Later in the video, the victim is entirely decapitated and the captor uses his kitchen knife to cut into the muscles and dismember one limb after another. The murderer plays with severed limbs and even rubs his crotch area with them. It must have turned him on because the next thing he does is flip the dismembered, decapitated corpse on its front and fuck it in the ass from behind.
Using a knife and fork, the murderer then slices a piece of fatty flesh from victim’s ass and presumably eats it before bringing a hungry dog in to also feast on freshly killed man. The black and white pooch could not resist the smell of raw flesh and bit right into the stump.
Once pooch was done, the murderer stuck a bottle neck up dismembered man’s anus and repeatedly assfucked him with it. Putting the severed hand into use once more, the murderer laid on his bed pantless and masturbated with it.
1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick is without a doubt the sickest thing you will have ever seen in your entire life. It is a sad reminder that things far worse than any of us would ever imagine really take place in our neighborhoods. It is a sickening reflection of who we, as a human race have become. Turning our heads and pretending the video doesn’t exist would only make the perpetrator feel more secure and open to further exploitation.
I believe it is important, for the sake of us all that, as was the case with 3 Guys 1 Hammerand similar videos, the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick video is seen and understood for what it is, so appropriate steps can be taken to bring those responsible to justice and prevent any further such atrocity from happening. You never know who could be the next person on that bed. If the message about the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick video is not spread far and wide, there could be many more still to come and that’s a very frightening thought. Best Gore is dedicated to ensuring the general public is aware of the reality of the world out there so everyone can make educated decisions that affect their wellbeing and the wellbeing of their families.
Many thanks to Best Gore supporter A. for this video. It would appear that at the end of the video the perp posted a photo of himself. It’s difficult to recognize the person from it clearly, but still – reach of the internet is wide and can’t be underestimated. Perhaps someone who sees this video on Best Gore recognize that guy? If you do recognize him, please contact authorities immediately because this video doesn’t appear to be fake at all.
Thorough investigation by the Best Gore community lead to an assumption that the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick perpetrator could be a renowned cat killer and internet attention whore Luka Magnotta. He could also be the same person who mailed severed human foot to Tory HQ in Ottawa. He’s currently wanted by the Canadian police.
Dear viewers – the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick video is still available on Best Gore, however due to extremely high load the website’s been experiencing since our community’s identification of the perpetrator, server resources have been depleted, making video playbacks impossible. I will make the video available as soon as load has stabilized a bit. Please check back later.
Human Foot Mailed to Tory HQ in Ottawa – Luka Magnotta Officially a Suspect
Luka Rocco Magnotta, born in Toronto, Ontario, Canada as Eric Clinton Newman – a disturbed young man believed by the internet community to be the kitten killer responsible for several upsetting animal abuse videos, and also a man pinned down by the Best Gore community as the perpetrator behind the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick video is now officially a wanted man. Despite all the speculation that he could be in the USA or Russia, he’s still seemingly right here in his homeland of Canada, a monster living among us without most even realizing.
Yesterday, on May 29, 2012 a disturbing news shook Canada. The headquarters of the Conservative Party of Canada (leading party in Canada, commonly referred to as Tory) which is located at 130 Albert Street in Ottawa (Toronto is not Canada’s capital city, Ottawa is) received a suspicious package sent to their address by the means of regular mail (via Canada Post). The package was opened by Jenni Byrne, campaign manager of Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Rotten stench (hey Don) and blood gave fast hints of the gruesome content within. The authorities, including the police, the hazardous materials unit and the coroner were called in and found a severed human foot inside. The foot already started to decompose and raised a lot of stink at Tory HQ.
At the same time, news from Montreal in Canada’s predominantly French speaking province of Quebec came that a human torso was discovered by a janitor in a suitcase on a Snowdon street. Today, one day after the delivery of the severed human foot to Tory HQ in Ottawa and the discovery of the human torso in Montreal, the police named their prime suspect – the very Luka Magnotta.
The parcel with the human foot was traced and the police learned that it was sent from Montreal. The police also learned that there was one more parcel the sender dispatched to a different mailing address. That parcel was quickly located and seized before being delivered. Its content was X-Rayed and lo and behold – inside it was a severed human hand. The police have not released the address to which this parcel was sent. Makes you wonder if perhaps Luka Magnotta was pissed off at me for pinning him down and wanted to send me a present?
Case in point – Luka Magnotta is in Canada and is a wanted man – this time officially. Montreal was his last known location but he could have moved anywhere. But now with his name out there, he has the entire country looking for him. His face is all over the internet and every single police officer has more than a strong motivation to pin that sucker down, especially since he got his hands dirty with the leading political force in the country.
The obvious question to ask is – were the severed foot, severed hand and mutilated human torso those of the man murdered in the making of the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick video?
Since this is all happening in Canada, no gory pictures are being released. But since it involves our beloved Luka Magnotta, I thought ya’ll would love to hear it. Especially since before his name was officially released, I speculated on possible connection between the severed foot and Luka Magnotta myself. But I have to thank Best Gore member Pigeonqc from Quebec to get it all started. WTF? Luka Magnotta is in Canada. He could be snooping on me from behind the corner.
Take a good look. Do you know this man? He’s wanted by Canadian authorities and could be potentially dangerous. If you see him, call 911 immediately:
Top photo by Jean Levac , Ottawa Citizen
The Montreal Gazette posted this video from the apartment building where Luka Rocco Magnotta lived. It shows images from the apartment itself after it was raided by the police and contains interviews with some of the neighbors. In the apartment, the police found bed sheets soaked with blood and pooled blood in the fridge. The reek of rotten flesh inside the apartment was repulsive. Could this be the apartment where alleged killer Luka Magnotta would have murdered, beheaded, dismembered and cannibalized an Asian fellow before subjecting his corpse to necrophilia as seen in the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick video (thanks to Abomination for the tip)?
This is a report by Al Jazeera on the incident in Canada. The police are trying to establish why the killer would send severed parts of the victim’s body through the mail:
After the video of the apartment in which Luka Magnotta lived was published, Best Gore member tonces compared the images of his apartment’s bedroom with the bedroom from the 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick video. Here is the side by side comaprison.
Hey you guys – as you know shit hit the fan. It’s a good thing because if all allegation regarding Luka Magnotta made on Best Gore are true, then this man must be taken off the streets as soon as possible. For as long as he’s out there, none of us here in Canada is safe. Luckily, Luka is being hunted and it’s only a question of time before he’s caught. Let’s hope there will be no more innocent victims by the time they get him.
Because Best Gore played a very important role in nailing the identity of the perpetrator, the website is being used as a point of reference by many people. This results in complete bombardment of the site with traffic. During the course of today and until Luka Magnotta is capture or killed, you may experience slow response times or even downtimes. Rest assured that I’m doing all that’s in my power to keep the site on line.
It has been reported by various mainstream media that as soon as the name of the perpetrator was pinned by the community on Best Gore, people reported it to the police. The Toronto police department, however, did not find the reports credible, and dismissed them suggesting that the video was most certainly a product of some special effects team and no further actions were taken.
4 days later, the previously dismissed name became the most wanted name in Canada. The way I see it – had the police responded to the reports instead of dismissing them, they may have caught Luka Magnotta redhanded. Utilizing the tools available to the police, they could have learned that he was renting an apartment in Montreal and paid him a visit 3 days prior to finding the body in a suitcase and a foot in a parcel. Had they done that, they would have likely disturbed him with a packing tape in his hand.
As such, this potentially dangerous man would have been arrested and would no longer be a threat to public. Here’s hoping that next time Best Gore investigators pin a potential perpetrator down, the police takes more appropriate action. I’m pretty sure they’re working around the clock and are breathing down Luka’s neck, so hopefully he’s caught before he could add to his victim count.
Why It Was Important to Share This Video
I think we can all agree that 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick is a proof that it’s important for a website like Best Gore to publish videos of such nature, regardless of how upsetting they may seem to general public. It’s because this video was posted that the community was able to identify the perpetrator long before the body parts were mailed off and had action been taken when first reports were made, the perpetrator would likely have been caught. The fact that action was not taken takes nothing away from great service postage of this video meant for the safety of the public.
I would like to give a shout out to Glen McGregor, reporter with the Ottawa Citizen, Tony Spears, reporter with the Ottawa Sun, Gabrielle Duchaine, reporter with La Presse, Lee Flohr, Managing Editor and Science Journalist with Science Fare Media, Richard Madan, parliamentary reporter with CTV National News, Rebecca Lindell from Global News, Yanik Dumont Baron from Radio Canada, Marion Warnica and Scott Lilwall, case producers with the Edmonton AM Show on the CBC Radio, Doug Sydora, managing editor with Global National News, Dave Lazzarino, reporter with Edmonton Sun, Wendy Gillis, reporter with Toronto Star and Chris Trowbridge from Day Six, CBC Radio One who did an interview with me today. This is to give the reporters the proof that they interviewed the real owner of Best Gore, not some poser, because it happens to reporters often these days.
More than anything, I need to give major props to all members of Best Gore. You guys are the best in the world and you are all coming down in history for doing your part in helping to remove a very dangerous man from our streets. One day when we’re old and can’t get a hard on anymore, a new generation of kids will run a website just like Best Gore and on it there will be an article about a sick man by the name of Luka Magnotta – kind of like Best Gore has an article on Jeffrey Dahmer or Andrei Chikatilo. And in that article they will talk about you, the Best Gore members who helped to nail the fucker.
Kick-ass… you’re it!